diff --git a/tests/test_leadership.py b/tests/test_leadership.py
index f41a548..e82ca80 100644
--- a/tests/test_leadership.py
+++ b/tests/test_leadership.py
@@ -410,6 +410,9 @@ def test_groups_with_leader_hidden_in_config():
         cfg.option('ip_admin_eth0.ip_admin_eth0').value.get()
     with pytest.raises(PropertiesOptionError):
         cfg.option('ip_admin_eth0.netmask_admin_eth0', 0).value.get()
+    cfg.forcepermissive.option('ip_admin_eth0.netmask_admin_eth0').index(0).value.get()
+    with pytest.raises(PropertiesOptionError):
+        cfg.option('ip_admin_eth0.netmask_admin_eth0').index(0).value.get()
     assert parse_od_get(cfg.value.get()) == {}
 #    assert not list_sessions()
 
diff --git a/tiramisu/api.py b/tiramisu/api.py
index ee8fcc3..c941be8 100644
--- a/tiramisu/api.py
+++ b/tiramisu/api.py
@@ -559,6 +559,7 @@ class _TiramisuOptionOptionDescription:
             leadership.option.get_leader(),
             None,
             False,
+            config_bag=self._config_bag,
         )
         return TiramisuOption(
             leader_subconfig.path,
@@ -581,6 +582,7 @@ class _TiramisuOptionOptionDescription:
                 follower,
                 None,
                 False,
+                config_bag=self._config_bag,
             )
             ret.append(
                 TiramisuOption(
@@ -687,6 +689,7 @@ class _TiramisuOptionOption(_TiramisuOptionOptionDescription):
             self._subconfig.option,
             index,
             True,
+            config_bag=self._config_bag,
         )
         return TiramisuOption(self._path, index, self._config_bag, subconfig=subconfig)
 
@@ -1080,8 +1083,8 @@ class TiramisuOptionValue(CommonTiramisuOption, _TiramisuODGet):
         if uncalculated:
             return self._subconfig.option.impl_getdefault()
         if self._subconfig.option.impl_is_follower() and self._subconfig.index is None:
-            msg = _("please specify index with a follower option ({0}.{1})").format(
-                self.__class__.__name__, func.__name__
+            msg = _("please specify index with a follower option ({0})").format(
+                self._subconfig.path
             )
             raise ConfigError(msg)
         return self._config_bag.context.get_values().get_default_value(self._subconfig)
@@ -1284,9 +1287,7 @@ class TiramisuOption(
                 config_bag.nowarnings()
             else:
                 config_bag.set_permissive()
-            if self._subconfig is not None:
-                self._subconfig.config_bag = config_bag
-            return self.__class__(self._path, self._index, config_bag, subconfig=self._subconfig)
+            return self.__class__(self._path, self._index, config_bag)
         raise ConfigError(
             _("please specify a valid sub function ({0}.{1}) for {2}").format(
                 self.__class__.__name__, subfunc, self._path